tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post6318586943156929248..comments2023-05-18T03:13:44.192-07:00Comments on Nonfiction in a Fictional Style: When Few Were Paying AttentionFloyd M. Orrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07328513361518450633noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-48234364945911626082010-08-21T08:58:36.420-07:002010-08-21T08:58:36.420-07:00floyd, I'm not so sure that ruffles is tripp, ...floyd, I'm not so sure that ruffles is tripp, however I do think you're on the right track. I think tripp was born in april (or ready to be released in april) of 08. I am looking forward to reading the transcript of the hacker trial to see bristols exact words about 'seeing her newborn son' in those emails. I believe airplane baby is tripp.<br><br>http://yfrog.com/fvairplanetrippjemrysanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-48875981641960945102010-08-21T09:13:25.205-07:002010-08-21T09:13:25.205-07:00Could you please add to the Tripp slideshow pictur...Could you please add to the Tripp slideshow pictures of Tripp being handed to Bristol, then her holding him during the Greta interview in early 2009 and subsequently Bristol holding the drugged Tripp on her lap during the interview on the Today show (with Todd sitting beside her)? Thank you.daisydemnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-34665311731501480332010-08-21T09:40:44.898-07:002010-08-21T09:40:44.898-07:00Sorry, but I can't open my mind to Ruffles bec...Sorry, but I can't open my mind to Ruffles becoming Tripp. The babies look very different to me. The airplane baby looks like RNC Trig. I don't think you are crazy for it, but I have given reasons before and won't go into them again. <br><br>My working theory is still that Bristol had Tripp after Christmas 2008 and before the Iron Dog in Feb. 2009. Someone, likely Bristol, had Ruffles between Jan. and April 2008, Ruffles was named Trig, and Ruffles' right ear was fixed to look right over the summer of 2008. Trig he was and Trig he is.<br><br>The media doesn't seem to be biting at the missing Ruffles story as they should. So we're back to The Big Story: A sitting governor faked a pregnancy and obtained a DS baby to use as a political credential. It worked.Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-67729338336039951162010-08-21T10:33:07.867-07:002010-08-21T10:33:07.867-07:00I don't see what you are trying to get at here...I don't see what you are trying to get at here Floyd. I see no proof of anything in the ears. If you are making a point and you expect everyone to grab onto it then you are going to have to explain yourself. The fact that of the 4 comments so far, nobody is really picking up on what you are trying to say and what your message is, should tell you that you are making leaps that nobody else is willing to make. <br><br>Do you see how confused everyone is now? If you do then maybe you could accept that Gryphen's ear theory is what is adding to the confusion. <br><br>I think you should also seriously consider letting go of your theory that the MSM are keeping this thing going in order to make more money on it. If we who are as much in the know as anyone on Palin's deception are without firm commitment and together on the story you should be able to imagine how much more confused they are.Rob G.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-19883352537101253182010-08-21T10:59:56.570-07:002010-08-21T10:59:56.570-07:00What are you trying to do, Floyd? All of those pi...What are you trying to do, Floyd? All of those pictures of the baby being held by Mercedes (and in her company with Levi and Sarah) are of Ruffles aka Trig. The picture of the baby held by Keith Johnston is Trig, not Tripp, although it was printed as such in some magazine. As Ruffles/Trig is obviously a newborn, possibly premature, it seems likely that he is only a few weeks old on the date he was photographed in the Palins' kitchen in early May. That could be the cause of the Wild Ride--Bristol was delivering him on April 18th, and that would explain why Levi was there, had a hospital bracelet on, and is visiting him at the Palins on his birthday. The baby in the hall with the Heaths is just any baby held for the photo op. Again, no doctor would do such an ear repair on any baby under a few years' old. What are you trying to say here?Betsy Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-79398371316007342582010-08-21T11:12:38.895-07:002010-08-21T11:12:38.895-07:00Daisydem, I must not have the shots you are talkin...Daisydem, I must not have the shots you are talking about. I have selected the photos I have shown from the files I have, of course. Could you send me the shots you are referring to, or at least send me a link or point me to them? Thank you.77TA66noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-70621205168080600582010-08-21T11:12:38.894-07:002010-08-21T11:12:38.894-07:00Well, to me, airplane Trig did NOT look like RNC T...Well, to me, airplane Trig did NOT look like RNC Trig, but maybe the photo is just blurry. <br><br>Trig at the baby shower looks different from Trig displayed at the hospital. <br><br>Babies looks change a lot in the first few weeks. But I'm not saying that explains all. <br><br>I truly think Trig at the hospital is batwing Trig, and Ruffles and the baby at the shower were the same baby, but not hospital/batwing Trig. Ruffles has much finer features than I think the later Trig displays. <br><br>We all see things a bit differently. However, I do NOT think airplane Trig is Tripp. They look completely different to me.<br><br>And the ears ARE important. Ruffles has that nick for a reason.Molly_WInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-17514126099412102182010-08-21T11:29:41.557-07:002010-08-21T11:29:41.557-07:00Well, if there's a big leap of awareness that ...Well, if there's a big leap of awareness that I was supposed to achieve, I failed. <br><br>I have no idea what you're talking about. I think you've had some kind of inspiration and you're trying really hard to get us to have the same realization you have. It's not working.<br><br>What exactly are you trying to say? <br><br>IvyfreeIvyfreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-50445375939334369272010-08-21T12:03:31.390-07:002010-08-21T12:03:31.390-07:00Re: Tripp slide showStarting with photo # 12, all ...Re: Tripp slide show<br><br>Starting with photo # 12, all are clearly the child we currently call Tripp (with the exception of the one where Levi has the baby facing him, so we cannot see the face).<br><br>The line up of 1-11 has what I believe are a few different little guys, all being presented as Trig at one time or another. I am unclear about airplane baby.<br><br>Truly Floyd, the kiddo currently known as Tripp( the blonde one) does NOT look at all like the various early Trigs. I think you may be confusing the issue here.<br><br>This, however, is a separate matter from whether or not Bristol truly gave birth to a child in late '08 or early '09. I have serious questions about the veracity of that claim. BUT I AM SURE THAT SP DID NOT GIVE BIRTH TO ANY BABY on 4/18/08 or any other time in 2008.Conscious at last!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-68719356659472028182010-08-21T12:03:31.389-07:002010-08-21T12:03:31.389-07:00In the interest of trying to find a new way of loo...In the interest of trying to find a new way of looking at this information, and off the top of my head, here are my guesses:<br><br>#1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (kitchen baby) - looks one month or less, possibly older if he was born premature.<br><br>#6 (shower baby?) - 1 month or less <br><br>#7 (announcement baby) - 1 month or less<br><br>#8 (shower baby) - between one and two months<br><br>#9 (with Keith & L.) - one month or less, and isn't he strangely wrapped?<br><br>#10 (airplane baby) - 4 or 5 months <br><br>#11 (round headed baby) - 4-5 months, but he doesn't look like Tripp to me. He looks as if he has DS.<br><br>#12 (with Levi in the black shirt) - 2-5 months, and does look like Tripp.<br><br>#13 (with Bristol at graduation) - six months, looks like Tripp.<br><br>#14 (with Bristol in the kitchen sink) - 18-24 months, looks like Tripp.<br><br># 15 (naked with Le*i) - 5-7 months<br><br>#16 (with Levi in jacket outside) 8-10 months<br><br>#17 (with the Johnstons) - 8-9 months, maybe one year<br><br>#18 (with Bristol and Willow, wearing blue cap) - 8-10 months<br><br>#19 (black and white photo with Bristol) - 18 months<br><br>#20 (US Magazine announcing engagement) - 2 yearsonemorethoughtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-2874661786298737712010-08-21T12:07:15.020-07:002010-08-21T12:07:15.020-07:00Allow me to reiterate some of the basic tenets of ...Allow me to reiterate some of the basic tenets of this blog, and maybe that will clarify things for you a little better.<br><br>First of all, I have never aspired to be or claimed to be a journalist. I am a writer and commentator of psychosocial phenomena in modern America. I wish to guide and enable the conversation somewhat, but I am not here to provide the readers with that smoking gun that will get this abomination off the national stage. The effective blockade enacted by the MSM will see to it that no one of any consequence ever heeds anything I say, regardless of whatever that might be. I can only try to utilize my mature experience in psychology, sociology, and nostalgic composition to possibly help my readers better understand exactly what is going on here.<br><br>Secondly, I have generally held the same Babygate theory for nearly two years, that Ruffles was born to Bristol with FAS and that Round Ear Trig is a baby acquired purely for political reasons. There may or may not be a third Trig, but probably not. I have practically zero faith in any theories involving dolls, twins, or the short-term borrowing of any babies.<br><br>As first presented to me about a week ago, I am now seriously entertaining the concept that we have generally been bluffed into a wild goose chase with multiple Trigs, and the real secret is that Tripp is actually Bristol's first born, the same pregnancy that caused all the rumors in Alaska in late 2007 and early 2008. The simplest version of this theory, just following the KISS Principle, is that there have never been more than two babies total and that Ruffles is Tripp. There are several variants of this theory that Tripp was born in early 2008 out there, but for now, this one is the one I believe to be most likely.<br><br>There is no great secret or revelation that I have recently discovered, other than the concept that Ruffles is Tripp. Everything else I have said on this blog has pretty much just been the opinion I have held for the past two years. The link to Wizbang should show everyone the degree to which the fact was that McCain planned to possibly select SP months before most Americans ever heard of her. This allowed for plenty of time and circumstantial evidence indicating that the whole scam could easily have been cooked up in early '08, including issues surrounding Tripp's birth as well as Trig's.<br><br>As for the collection of photos in the slide show, you probably know about as much as I do. I just try to assemble concepts for you to examine and think about as deeply as you might. I always try to question any misconceptions that might be floating around, but I also try to keep an open mind about everything Babygate, at least until we all finally know the truth. There is one concept I am not backing away from: the creation of Babygate and its continued secrecy are the product of The Palins, The Christian Mafia, The GOP, and the MSM. All are guilty and none are innocent.77TA66noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-51198729572080828432010-08-21T12:12:29.021-07:002010-08-21T12:12:29.021-07:00I think I'm going with you, Floyd. The slip-...I think I'm going with you, Floyd. The slip-ups do fit. (sadie's and levi's adoring looks at a baby not related to them; levi's hospital bracelet; bristol's testimony that her baby was older; big jaundiced baby vs preemie baby pics,etc.)<br>But what about the ruffled ear?<br><br>How about posting a straight forward list (pros and cons) about what fits your theory and what doesn't?Janbjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-54513933940948582582010-08-21T12:23:08.335-07:002010-08-21T12:23:08.335-07:00You certainly make a good point about the ruffled ...You certainly make a good point about the ruffled ear! It is the leading bone of contention in my own mind as to the Ruffles as Tripp theory vs. the Ruffles as a separate baby theory. Like I have always told my wife, I am a lousy doctor! Several other bloggers, such as Gryphen and Palin Peyton Place have certainly delved into the ear issues at length, with neither agreeing with the other. I have had extensive contact with the owner of the Peyton Place blog, and she thinks surgery or molding could have been done on the ears, while Gryphen does not agree. As I have said, the strength of the concept of Ruffles as a separate baby is based on FAS and the ears, while the strength of the Ruffles as Tripp theory is based on the KISS Principle. I hope this answers your question, at least somewhat.77TA66noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-18519588864130504802010-08-21T12:24:48.079-07:002010-08-21T12:24:48.079-07:00I love the pics and how they follow in the side ba...I love the pics and how they follow in the side bar but I am just not getting "it" Please also put the pics in a row(s) on another page with the point you are trying to make. Do not be myterious about your point. <br>"Open your mind and you might discover a few new avenues of thought." I need a clearer path I think :-)Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-66270371987009783582010-08-21T12:33:23.210-07:002010-08-21T12:33:23.210-07:00I have to say that that is a BEAUTIFUL picture of ...I have to say that that is a BEAUTIFUL picture of Tina F and clearly not SP so I do get your point on that. The two babies Trig and Tripp are also by their facial features and ears clearly different. <br>After that I am lost although intrigued on this post.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-49655711761738498652010-08-21T12:43:04.466-07:002010-08-21T12:43:04.466-07:00OOps I just found out that if I click in the littl...OOps I just found out that if I click in the little slide show it goes to the album with them all in a row. Clecer. I guess I am more newbe to the technology than I thought. Ok I'll try to rethink your post.<br>I need more coffee.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-77571658152895788602010-08-21T13:20:13.096-07:002010-08-21T13:20:13.096-07:00Photo #11 is Trig from the campaign. Floyd - pleas...Photo #11 is Trig from the campaign. <br><br>Floyd - please, please stop referring to this child as "Batwing." <br>Not only does it come across as making fun of an innocent child, <br>but, in the future, when this hoax goes mainstream (and we know<br>it will) it'll be the perfect "cry victim/red herring" for SP, and<br>will undermine your credibility at the same time.<br><br>How about "Campaign Trig"? That should be easily identifiable<br>to your readership, dontcha' think?<br><br>Again, thanks for the excellent work that you do!TruthRocksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-44372396249737497922010-08-21T13:20:13.095-07:002010-08-21T13:20:13.095-07:00I definitely agree that #11 looks like Trig a DS b...I definitely agree that #11 looks like Trig a DS babyMarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-35032915816122285282010-08-21T13:26:15.777-07:002010-08-21T13:26:15.777-07:00Yes, and SP went immediately into the planned &quo...Yes, and SP went immediately into the planned "hoax-mode" the day after McCain was nominated by announcing her "pregnancy."TruthRocksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-57843257632381718592010-08-21T13:31:10.620-07:002010-08-21T13:31:10.620-07:00Floyd,Thanks for your blog. My husband and I get i...Floyd,<br>Thanks for your blog. My husband and I get into lots of discussions because of it and it is fun. The subject matter of course is this mess called Palin but you are interesting and dedicated traits to be admired and we do.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-52018132793103266992010-08-21T13:40:55.803-07:002010-08-21T13:40:55.803-07:00When this Batwing issue came up earlier here at PB...When this Batwing issue came up earlier here at PB, I asked for suggestions, but no one responded. We cannot call him Campaign Trig because that is Round Ear. We can call him Elfie or Elf Ear or whatever else the consensus might be. Whatever we call him, I do not want to have to explain it every time he is mentioned. It must be a nickname that all the readers understand.77TA66noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-56567691827391086192010-08-21T14:29:27.698-07:002010-08-21T14:29:27.698-07:00Hi Floyd, fabulous post. As you know, I am absolu...Hi Floyd, fabulous post. As you know, I am absolutely convinced of the whole Christian Mafia/Neo-Con hatching of this hoax. I am further convinced, as I have been for a while, that the GOP and the MSM know about it, too. What I had not considered, but do now, is that Ruffles may indeed be Tripp. I remember seeing Tripp knocked out cold in that Today Show interview and thinking that is one big 5 month old but never gave it much more thought ... until now. Especially when I weave together that initial reaction to his size and consider it along with the "ruffled ear" baby ... info we did not know at the time of Tripp's appearance at the Today Show. The mind reels. When is this cancer going to be excised from our national scene? <br><br>P.S. I love how you have allowed all the intelligent minds at work on this blog to freely express thoughts, think outside the box, question and even disagree. By doing so I am sure it will lead us to something we have missed.CC_saysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-46429961676177857952010-08-21T14:29:27.697-07:002010-08-21T14:29:27.697-07:00For a look of some of what was happening when few ...For a look of some of what was happening when few were paying attention (say, back in Feb., June and August 2007) see Jane Mayer's piece from the October 2008 New Yorker<br><br>http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/27/081027fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1Captivanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-30956697202752858032010-08-21T14:42:32.881-07:002010-08-21T14:42:32.881-07:00To me the airplane Tripp as you have it, continues...To me the airplane Tripp as you have it, continues into "batwing" (sorry TruthRocks). Ruffles does resemble Tripp, but to me, no way are they the same. Therefore, in my opinion, Ruffles is batwing. <br><br>Chubby round ears obviously can't be ruffles, and must be Trig #2- probably the same baby from the hospital.<br><br>Are there any pics of both round and bat ears taken at the same event?PaulaCDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1352677495040900455.post-61260223762766221792010-08-21T14:42:32.880-07:002010-08-21T14:42:32.880-07:00Yes, I remember your post. I responded that I thou...Yes, I remember your post. I responded that I thought "batwing" sounded too pejorative, but I didn't have any other suggestions. Now, I'm even more confused, so I'm going to back off of it for a bit. Heretofore, I thought there was just "Round Ear" (campaign) and "Ruffles." Now I'm getting that there is a 3rd ... yes, I would definitely vote for "Elfie." (Actually, I think #1 and 2 of the batwing slideshow are from the campaign.)<br><br>Aside: The hoax plan was meant to confuse, and it sure worked - at least for me!TruthRocksnoreply@blogger.com